Rory "THE CRUSHER" Freeman @ 27/3/2015 15:18

Naw bro. Just because I fucking hate Sierra doesn't mean I still wouldn't vote for her to win. For real man. You better vote for who DESERVES it- if not then you really are just a punk

Why the Sierra hate bro?

Rory "THE CRUSHER" Freeman @ 27/3/2015 18:18

Naw bro. Just because I fucking hate Sierra doesn't mean I still wouldn't vote for her to win. For real man. You better vote for who DESERVES it- if not then you really are just a punk

Okay, but who deserves it is completely subjective. I don't think Caryn deserves to win with the game she's currently playing because it's relying way too heavily on challenge strength. But other people might think she deserves to win because of her strength.

This is a social game. And Sue and Monica are sucking at that aspect. I mean really, Monica? You're gonna trash talk Kelley in the tribal thread before sending her to the jury? Knowing that they were talking shit about me is just another reason for me not to vote for them. Caryn will win my respect if she is able to survive not being immune for once (she has made it to final 6 without once being eligible to recieve votes).

If you think Sierra played a bad social game, don't vote for her. But there's no reason to hate her, that's just irrational.

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 15:57

Rory "THE CRUSHER" Freeman @ 27/3/2015 18:18 Naw bro. Just because I fucking hate Sierra doesn't mean I still wouldn't vote for her to win. For real man. You better vote for who DESERVES it- if not then you really are just a punk Okay, but who deserves it is completely subjective. I don't think Caryn deserves to win with the game she's currently playing because it's relying way too heavily on challenge strength. But other people might think she deserves to win because of her strength. This is a social game. And Sue and Monica are sucking at that aspect. I mean really, Monica? You're gonna trash talk Kelley in the tribal thread before sending her to the jury? Knowing that they were talking shit about me is just another reason for me not to vote for them. Caryn will win my respect if she is able to survive not being immune for once (she has made it to final 6 without once being eligible to recieve votes). If you think Sierra played a bad social game, don't vote for her. But there's no reason to hate her, that's just irrational.

I think Caryn is in a tough spot because she keeps getting labelled as a challenge threat so people don't tend to give her social game enough credit. As far as with me she was fun to interact with. Heck I enjoyed talking to Sue and Monica too. The people who I think are playing awful social games are Garett and Kelley. And they are also playing bad strategic games because Kelly was your +1, Erik, and Garett is Sierra's +1. No way Kelley would have beaten you at FTC and now way Garett beats Sierra.

Stephen Fishbach @ 27/3/2015 19:18

I think Caryn is in a tough spot because she keeps getting labelled as a challenge threat so people don't tend to give her social game enough credit. As far as with me she was fun to interact with. Heck I enjoyed talking to Sue and Monica too.

Yeah I agree, her social game is very good. It's just...I don't know, I'd like to see her actually have to scramble. It's her own fault for being labelled as a challenge threat, because she didn't make any attempt to hide it. I like Monica, I just think she isn't playing the best social game. As for Sue, yeah I'm sure she's nice to the people she likes. I think she just doesn't like me being friends with Sierra hahaha.

Stephen Fishbach @ 27/3/2015 19:18

The people who I think are playing awful social games are Garett and Kelley. And they are also playing bad strategic games because Kelly was your +1, Erik, and Garett is Sierra's +1. No way Kelley would have beaten you at FTC and now way Garett beats Sierra.

I had no idea the perception is that Kelley isn't playing a good game. Probably because I talked to her a lot throughout the game and she's actually very smart. I honestly viewed us more as equals. But yeah...I guess she wasan't really talking to anyone else. She definitely wasn't my +1 like Yve is Austin's. Because I couldn't convince her to flip with me.

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 17:35

Stephen Fishbach @ 27/3/2015 19:18 I think Caryn is in a tough spot because she keeps getting labelled as a challenge threat so people don't tend to give her social game enough credit. As far as with me she was fun to interact with. Heck I enjoyed talking to Sue and Monica too. Yeah I agree, her social game is very good. It's just...I don't know, I'd like to see her actually have to scramble. It's her own fault for being labelled as a challenge threat, because she didn't make any attempt to hide it. I like Monica, I just think she isn't playing the best social game. As for Sue, yeah I'm sure she's nice to the people she likes. I think she just doesn't like me being friends with Sierra hahaha. Stephen Fishbach @ 27/3/2015 19:18 The people who I think are playing awful social games are Garett and Kelley. And they are also playing bad strategic games because Kelly was your +1, Erik, and Garett is Sierra's +1. No way Kelley would have beaten you at FTC and now way Garett beats Sierra. I had no idea the perception is that Kelley isn't playing a good game. Probably because I talked to her a lot throughout the game and she's actually very smart. I honestly viewed us more as equals. But yeah...I guess she wasan't really talking to anyone else. She definitely wasn't my +1 like Yve is Austin's. Because I couldn't convince her to flip with me.

Yeah Sue and Sierra have quite the distaste towards each other :p Monica calling out Kelley was certainly unnecessary although I do agree with the sentiment that Kelley never talks. I suppose that is a two way street seeing as I never initiated any convos with Kelley after Day 1/2 until the day of the majority rules challenge. Still. It is telling of a bad social game imo when someone literally never initiates conversations at all.

I am still very confused about Yve's game and what she intends to do. I get that she is closer to Austin than she was to me. But how it benefited her to keep Garett in the game over me is still unclear. She never told me anything about who she would prefer going if not Garett or anything. Maybe she saw it as revenge for Katie. I know Austin certainly must have felt a bit of joy seeing me go after I voted against Katie. Curious to see what Yve says about this.

The majority alliance for the first 2 merge councils pretty much originated from the Katie vote. Austin and Yve were apparently VERY upset. And Sierra was obviously. I didn't really care, but that was pretty much when I lost trust in you, Monica, and Rory. Rory told me that he knew Katie was going and didn't know it was a blindside, which tipped off to me that he was tight with you and Monica. Although I've been meaning to ask what would have happened if we went to tribal again. I was pretty concerned it would be me or Sierra going.

Yeah Erik - I'm surprised you think Kelley IS playing a good game. She's relied on you ALL GAME and she even openly admitted to me during the tribal portion that she only speaks with people on her tribe. I hadn't talked to her since week 1, 20 days later I said whatsup, and I had to initiate the conversation every time.

Monica might be loopy and off the wall, but she's at least social, and is playing a better game than Kelley - who has done absolutely nothing but sit back and rely on others, mainly Erik.

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 17:58

The majority alliance for the first 2 merge councils pretty much originated from the Katie vote. Austin and Yve were apparently VERY upset. And Sierra was obviously. I didn't really care, but that was pretty much when I lost trust in you, Monica, and Rory. Rory told me that he knew Katie was going and didn't know it was a blindside, which tipped off to me that he was tight with you and Monica.

That was a lie :) I knew it was a blindside I just wanted to appear like a fool ;)

Yeah I can't disagree with you there. I didn't always have to initiate conversation with Kelley, but I guess most of the time I did. Idk. But yeah, that sucks because I thought she had a decent shot at winning. She's probably gonna be voted out.

Sierra never messaged me once all game. I've had to message her first every single time... every... single.... time. And to top that off she's an awful human being. I cannot stand her. Speaking to her, a fire builds within me. She is evil. I don't know how I won Biggest Villain over her because she is awful.

How do you two like her? I realize she's played a part in some big moves but other than "playing a part" that's it. She made friends with some of the right people, but I certainly don't see her pulling the strings.

I think she deserves to win more than other people, but I do not like her. She has said nothing nice to me, and rather, has on the opposite mostly been a total bitch to me in our conversations WHICH I INITIATED of course.

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 17:58

The majority alliance for the first 2 merge councils pretty much originated from the Katie vote. Austin and Yve were apparently VERY upset. And Sierra was obviously. I didn't really care, but that was pretty much when I lost trust in you, Monica, and Rory. Rory told me that he knew Katie was going and didn't know it was a blindside, which tipped off to me that he was tight with you and Monica. Although I've been meaning to ask what would have happened if we went to tribal again. I was pretty concerned it would be me or Sierra going.

I forget who was on our tribe lol. Was it you, me, Sierra, Garett, Sue, Caryn?? If so I'd have certainly pitched taking out Caryn.

So assuming Katie had stayed and Sue had left at that tribal, it looks like I was screwed either way. Because Austin, Yve, Katie, Sierra, Kelley an you would have made up the 6. Oh and you also had Garett so tat is 7 :P Welp. Another premerge tribal would have helped I suppose ;)

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 18:04

Yeah I can't disagree with you there. I didn't always have to initiate conversation with Kelley, but I guess most of the time I did. Idk. But yeah, that sucks because I thought she had a decent shot at winning. She's probably gonna be voted out.

... or get dragged to the end! :D

HEY! You never know man. If she's in the end with Monica and Sue or Yve then who the fuck knows what'll happen.

By the way... I realize I am coming off as a total dick here in Ponderosa, not sure why... dat's not the kind of guy Crush is.

I'm huggable as fuck, just watch out for the hook, ya dig?

Erik post your "list," cmon you handsome mothafucka.

Stephen Fishbach @ 27/3/2015 21:05

Erik Hufflepuff @ 27/3/2015 17:58 The majority alliance for the first 2 merge councils pretty much originated from the Katie vote. Austin and Yve were apparently VERY upset. And Sierra was obviously. I didn't really care, but that was pretty much when I lost trust in you, Monica, and Rory. Rory told me that he knew Katie was going and didn't know it was a blindside, which tipped off to me that he was tight with you and Monica. Although I've been meaning to ask what would have happened if we went to tribal again. I was pretty concerned it would be me or Sierra going. I forget who was on our tribe lol. Was it you, me, Sierra, Garett, Sue, Caryn?? If so I'd have certainly pitched taking out Caryn. So assuming Katie had stayed and Sue had left at that tribal, it looks like I was screwed either way. Because Austin, Yve, Katie, Sierra, Kelley an you would have made up the 6. Oh and you also had Garett so tat is 7 :P Welp. Another premerge tribal would have helped I suppose ;)

You definitely wouldn't have been the first target though. I'm sure you could've found cracks, 7 is a lot of people. It probably wouldn't have been that straightforward. I think voting out Katie bonded Austin/Yve and Sierra more because they had mutual enemies in the people who voted her out.