Alina @ 8/6/2016 18:02

Hunter is absolutely terrible at alias and acts the same way every game.

Coming from the person who does the same sig format, repped as someone they almost hosted as,

AND acts the same every game. (:

also, *le sigh*

I'm not entirely sure who to blame for my elimination so I'm going to just blame circumstance and vis.

Alina @ 18/6/2016 0:29

I had people fooled hunter~

You had some additional means of assistance if you catch my drift ;)

But OTHERWISE, this should be interesting! If I could take a guess it'd be that Liz, Neal, Hope, and Woo were gonna stick together this round. The big question may end up being what Rachel decides to do, especially depending on who gets immunity. She is going to be safe no matter what this round, challenge win or not, because of her necklace. If Rita and Nat win then if she sided with the 4, then Nick would be her only logical target. She didn't trust Nick at all while we were in the game together and would repeatedly tell me how she didn't trust him and Nat and didn't want to see those 2 and Rita slip to the end, but I'm not sure if her mindset is going to change after my boot round.

Because the ALTERNATIVE if Rita and Nat win immunity, is for Rachel to vote with Rita, Nat, and Nick for one of Hope, Woo, Liz, and Neal, where one of those 4 will go 100% because if it goes to rocks by those 4 voting Nick, then he is immune on the rock draw. Even THEN I'm not sure if Hope would be willing to vote for Nick given that they are close, but who knows at this point.

I think the best chance for Liz, Neal, Woo, and Hope is to hope that Rita and Nat DON'T win immunity, because Rachel is way more likely to vote for Nat I think and Hope and Woo wouldn't have any qualms about it either rather than with Nick.

I would argue Nat deserves to win less than Neal and Liz tbh lol.

Liz and Neal have flipped and lied and stuff, but they ARE theoretically still playing the game and actually having a large hand in controlling what's been going on. The reason why they WOULD be "goats" is because of unnecessarily lying to too many people. Neal comes off very bro-y and seems to want to be close to you and Liz has a thing about admitting personal insecurities and then going ahead and voting you. I can def see how those would come off as BAD, but I think the term goat is overused.

The reason why I'm not a fan of Nat is her A. Not being around a lot to talk to people on AIM usually, B. her coming off as super fake and lovey and C. She has been super chaotic and messy, forming group chats with random people (she made a group chat out of the blue with Hope, Woo, herself, and Nick during the Jeremiah boot, on top of that chat you guys had), agreeing to conflicting alliances (on Shęngli Rachel talked to her and Natalie said her, Rita, and Rachel can be a majority, and then when Rachel said I could be brought in Natalie said that her, Rachel, and I could be majority), amongst other weird behaviors and judgements.

Kenny From The Block @ 20/6/2016 3:16

Jeremiah @ 19/6/2016 17:26 Nick has been playing the game really damn well and he's probably my number one choice at the moment I definitely don't see this lol. Unless floating and doing nothing is a good game, the dude never even talked to me. Agreed with you on Rita though

Well then you just haven't seen it yourself I guess. He is a giant reason why YOU were eliminated and that the split that we performed worked. If it were not for him and I communicating the whole time about our respective alliance chats being worried about the other not telling the truth, then the vote would never have split and an idol could have potentially been played. I know nothing about his premerge game (and actually heard he was in large amounts of trouble for parts of it) but post merge he has kept a constant flow of info for himself from all sides of the game from people like Rita, Natalie, Hope, and myself, and does what he needs with it.

If he can get to the end, I think he'd be the best player for what he'd be able to accomplish between now and then. He has visited the most TCs out of everyone in the game too I think.

But if it was FTC tomorrow I think someone like Rita or Hope would probably beat him given their high likability and what they've done to get this far.

Jeremiah @ 20/6/2016 8:40

Jaison Robinson @ 20/6/2016 7:43 Nick has also been playing the middle between Mushu and Anaira the whole merge. He put himself in a position where he can choose who he wants to vote with, and that takes some skill. True. I've heard that attempting to play the middle can really blow up in your face and get you booted when you're caught (not like I have any firsthand experience or anything)

He just isn't being as blatant about it and flipping back and forth which means he can avoid burning people. All of Mushu knows that he was and we didn't care! (Or at least I didn't and I don't think Hope or Woo did either, Rachel was a bit sketched)

Jaison Robinson @ 20/6/2016 10:49

Hunter, I'm curious to hear what you think about Hope's TC answer.

I mean it looks like a legitimate answer! No one is set for end. Unless you mean the bit about her missing me, in which case I think it's legit and in a probably awful way it's appreciated.

Hope and I talked a LOT throughout the game. It's weird from going to talking to someone hours every day to not at all. Before this last round I was confident about having a better PERSONAL relationship with her than anyone in the game at that moment and anyone who was out of the game. Clearly that was either misplaced or for that round, forgotten (get to that later), but you get the gist. She did vote against me and I'm fairly sure she had the CHANCE to save me last round and decided to let me go, but what can ya do. I think it was a game oriented decision made in a moment where she didn't trust me because I was so open about now wanting Rita eliminated and wanting her to win immunity. That by no means makes it better, and I am sure she or someone else will clarify later, but that's how I see it.

Jaison Robinson @ 20/6/2016 15:12

Hunter @ 20/6/2016 15:03 Jaison Robinson @ 20/6/2016 10:49 Hunter, I'm curious to hear what you think about Hope's TC answer. I mean it looks like a legitimate answer! No one is set for end. Unless you mean the bit about her missing me, in which case I think it's legit and in a probably awful way it's appreciated. Hope and I talked a LOT throughout the game. It's weird from going to talking to someone hours every day to not at all. Before this last round I was confident about having a better PERSONAL relationship with her than anyone in the game at that moment and anyone who was out of the game. Clearly that was either misplaced or for that round, forgotten (get to that later), but you get the gist. She did vote against me and I'm fairly sure she had the CHANCE to save me last round and decided to let me go, but what can ya do. I think it was a game oriented decision made in a moment where she didn't trust me because I was so open about now wanting Rita eliminated and wanting her to win immunity. That by no means makes it better, and I am sure she or someone else will clarify later, but that's how I see it. I was more just referring to her saying she didn't expect you to go last round. It seems like she may have had some power to change your fate, though from a game perspective I totally understand why she would have done that. Just seems interesting that she says she wasn't expecting it when it seemed pretty apparently that she was complicit in your boot last round. I love Hope and am totally rooting for her, but as someone who was really close to her from day one, her strategy is surprisingly unclear to me right now.

Oh, I thought the question was referring to the fact that she didn't think I would go just like in general and from the majority rules round, not necessarily last round. Last round I definitely think she knew I was going.

As far as her strategy, one thing she came to me about a lot was saying that she was really bad and strategy and didn't know what she was doing. I think she is underrating herself drastically, but it's possible she is taking it one round at a time. If it's NOT that, then bringing Woo, Neal, and Liz to F4 is probably her strategy because she can beat them all and probably can have at least a TB guaranteed if Woo votes with her. I think she let me go for being a threat and, again, losing trust in me as an ally.

If I see one more Hope pun I may end myself

But also a lot of mixed emotions, sorry Hope :(

Ok Hope, THIS is why I was upset about what was going on in my boot round.

Nick told me about how you heard from Liz and Neal directly that they were going to target me. THIS is the "magical information" that could have potentially saved me. It wasn't that Liz and Neal were targeting me, we knew that, it was the fact that they told YOU directly about it.

Now I was upset because you hadn't mentioned this to me, and I asked you after Nick told me that if you heard anything from Liz and Neal and you told me that all they told you was Neal was willing to vote however you asked him to and you didn't hear anything from Liz. Was just a bit tough to be lied to in the same round where we had a conversation regarding how we needed to work as a team and come together to talk things out and try to compromise. I was painfully honest to you about everything Rita related and about how I wanted to keep her in because I liked her and I didn't think she would target me. When you asked "well what would happen if natalie and rita are both immune" and I responded with "well do what's best for your game and if that means voting Nick then that's what it means" (i'm paraphrasing obviously but essentially was saying "do what's best for you"), you RIGHTFULLY responded with saying how that wasn't going to fly with you and how it wasn't about just individual games it would be about what would make US go further. I totally agreed, explained that I didn't want to burn Rita by giving you money but if no one else was willing to I would, you said you understood, and then got the money from Woo instead.

So anyway back to the info thing. So the reason why I think it would have been what saved me was because I went to you about how Rachel didn't believe me about how Liz and Neal were flipping. She didn't believe Nick and Natalie and didn't think Neal would work with Nick. If you told her directly that you were told about me being flipped on, she would have believed me much sooner and I could have gotten the split organized with Rita. Nick wasn't saying any of the info at first because he was waiting for YOUR ok because he didn't want to go behind your back if he could help it. After not getting a response about being ok with it either way he decided to eventually TELL Rita, and then she became much more willing to vote with me.

If Rita knew about Liz and Neal telling you about the flip, then she would think you are still working together and be worried for the next round. I went to Rita about Rachel and I flipping with Rita, Nick, and Natalie, which she would have thought would give her a 5 person majority because Rachel and I would be burning you/vice versa. RITA is not the one who targetted me, it was Neal and Liz. Neal and Liz are the ones who went to Natalie and Rita about targeting me and that is how the whole train started. By the end of it, Rita WANTED to save me, but Rachel wasn't willing to flip until too late and Natalie wasn't around to get her vote changed and for Rita and Nick to explain what was happening.

Now I'd understand if you didn't want to be the reason why Neal or Liz went home after spending so much time rebuilding that bond after the Kenny round, and I understand that you didn't want to be involved too much in the round so that you wouldn't be targetted, AND I understand why you voted against me and frankly I couldn't care less that you did. What I cared about was the fact that you made all those decisions about what was best for your game in the same round where you told me that I shouldn't be doing that and how we were a TEAM. If you had told me about the Liz and Neal thing, then we could have talked about the best course of action. I wasn't willing to put your game at risk and I wanted to make sure you would be ok with whatever happens.

Bottom line, I don't care you voted for me, I think the info about Liz and Neal was important enough to save me because me being a threat meant nothing to Rita as Lóng as she could get a majority, Nick did tell the info to Rita himself after you didn't respond to him about whether or not he could use it, I didn't outright refuse to help you by the end of the night, Rita did not target me, and Nick used the info that could have saved me to TRY and save me but it was too late by then because we waited too Lóng for your approval. Feel free to disagree with any of this and I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but this is my view of the round and see it as why you could have helped me get out of my predicament. You are by NO means the only reason why I'm here. Rachel not being willing to flip until last minute hurt a lot because Rita would have been willing otherwise, and Natalie not being around to be willing to flip the vote also hurt. Neal and Liz are the reasons as to why I'm here, because they are the ones who targetted me. I was just trying to say that you had the opportunnity to try and save me, but I felt let go.

Hope @ 22/6/2016 17:33

Jeremiah @ 22/6/2016 7:10 Whoever allowed Liz and Neal to control the game, shame on you tbh She REALLY needs to flip back and break up Rita/Nat/Nick but I don't know that she's going to see that.

When I was still in a big thing that Rachel was trying to grill into me was that she didn't want to see that trio float to the end of the game after being in the minority because she's seen it happen so many times in games before. Not sure if she would have a changed mindset by now with everything that has happened the last two rounds, but I have a feeling she is pretty aware.

For her this is actually probably a BAD situation because while she can essentially choose what side wins out, I think she knows that she will always be a 4th. OBJECTIVELY, her best bet might be sticking with Rita/Nick/Natalie and voting Neal or something because that gets rid of probably her biggest competitions in challenges, and also keeps in a clear jury threat in Rita who Nick and Natalie may be willing to turn on eventually (given, as we learned, they are not exactly the ride-or-die type). She's gonna have a tough overall time either way.

DREAMZ @ 22/6/2016 22:21

Someone needs to flush the estrogen from the jury lounge.

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Just 4 U

Unexpected! I guess Natalie will be able to explain why she voted Woo for some reason lol.

I'm going to apologize to you in advance Natalie for my confessionals lol.

I actually believe what you're saying now but I think one of the reasons why I was always sketched out about you was that I kept hearing about random and sketchy game stuff that you were involved in that you never told me about. Rachel mentioned you on Shęngli going to her about multiple majority alliances, while in merge Nick was filling me in on your group chat antics with stuff like adding Woo and Hope to group chats and then eventually how you were targeting me. I definitely agree that it's hard to separate personal relationship stuff from game stuff, but sometimes (at least to me) it just seem like someone is being fake with you when to your face they talk about how much they love you, while you know that behind your back they are trying to get you eliminated/don't trust you strategically.

And also I have this vendetta against millions of exclamation points, you aren't the only one to be a victim of that lol.