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Post #1: 12th Jul 2010 11:53 AM 
Ok, because there is so much people want answers to in relation to my game, I have decided to devote an entire thread to it.

Because there are so many issues people have had, and since I cant remember them all, I figure the easiest way to do this is to let you all put your questions in here and I will answer them the best I can.

Some of the accusations made have been accurate. Others, not so much.

 
   
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Post #2: 12th Jul 2010 12:42 PM 
k, even though I screwed the game, I got some questions anyway.

Did you srsly give tlg a better role because he complained?
We killed TLG the night he used used his revive power, thus it should not have worked.
You sent results of scans to dead cops, why?
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Post #3: 12th Jul 2010 2:11 PM 
Black Knight @ 12-07-2010 11:42
Did you srsly give tlg a better role because he complained?
We killed TLG the night he used used his revive power, thus it should not have worked.
You sent results of scans to dead cops, why?
I gave TLG a revival because he was one of 2 protective roles on the town side. Malion was a doctor and TLG a bodyguard, so I saw logic in sharing aspens revivals between them. In hindsight, sharing the two revivals was a bad decision, because instead of 1 possible reivival in one night, you had 2 players revived during a single night. Aspen wouldnt have been able to do this.

It would have been a better idea to give the 2 revivals to just Malion. But it was some hasty decison making.

Why TLG thought id given him his revival because he complained I dont know. It is true he complained before the game started, but I told him its all he was getting. Unfortunately, circumstances dictated otherwise!

On your other 2 questions, the answer is simple. By allowing someones night action to be negated because they were killed or by not sending in scan results to cops who were targeted, arent I basically giving the mafia an unfair advantage when it comes to night actions?

Had I just let the mafia kill TLG before his night action could take effect, isnt that basically saying "The mafias night actions go first and the townies last." Because that doesnt sound fair to me.

What sounds fairer, is that everyones actions count regardless, to me at least.

This is why DR and Helios still recieved their scan results. They werent dead yet.

And dont think this wouldnt work the other way round. Had a vigilante targeted a mafia assassin, as Docawe actually did, and the assassin still used his ability, the assassin would still die having killed a townie.

I guess this raises a question about what to do if 2 people target eachother on the same night with no obstacles in place, and that is one I would struggle to answer.

Im not sure how other mafia hosts work, but this seemed the most fair system to me.
 
   
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Post #4: 12th Jul 2010 2:22 PM 
mikeyb9m3bek @ 12-07-2010 13:11
Black Knight @ 12-07-2010 11:42
Did you srsly give tlg a better role because he complained?
We killed TLG the night he used used his revive power, thus it should not have worked.
You sent results of scans to dead cops, why?


On your other 2 questions, the answer is simple. By allowing someones night action to be negated because they were killed or by not sending in scan results to cops who were targeted, arent I basically giving the mafia an unfair advantage when it comes to night actions?

Had I just let the mafia kill TLG before his night action could take effect, isnt that basically saying "The mafias night actions go first and the townies last." Because that doesnt sound fair to me.

What sounds fairer, is that everyones actions count regardless, to me at least.

This is why DR and Helios still recieved their scan results. They werent dead yet.

And dont think this wouldnt work the other way round. Had a vigilante targeted a mafia assassin, as Docawe actually did, and the assassin still used his ability, the assassin would still die having killed a townie.

I guess this raises a question about what to do if 2 people target eachother on the same night with no obstacles in place, and that is one I would struggle to answer.

Im not sure how other mafia hosts work, but this seemed the most fair system to me.
lol, I don't know. Every time I have played mafia, if a person gets killed, their night action doesn't work. It's your game though, so it's your choice I guess.
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Post #5: 12th Jul 2010 3:30 PM 
Hey, Good job Budd and Boc! Because that was actually extremely KUL I'm fine with that win. :) I even scanned Boc last night because I was starting to think he belonged to some 3rd party and was long-conning once more. Too little too late, though, and I didn't really suspect Budd.

Cuntis's grandmaster plan to lynch the town seems less far fetched now, though for such a small game I think the Mafia's number were ultimately too high.

Also, I agree that being targetted for a night kill shouldn't negate a night action, especially when there where there are revivers etc. in play. I haven't noticed any other night actions being negated by a kill in the other games, and it does seem like that is unfairly slanted towards the favor of individuals with a kill.
 
   
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Post #6: 12th Jul 2010 4:09 PM 
When i was a Flavor cop in Heliosīs game i received my scan results although i died in the first night. I agree that everyones night actions should count.

What did Aspen do exactly to get modkilled? I dont remember seeing that being mentioned anywhere

And mikey are you going to put up a list of day / night actions from the beginning to the end? The other hosts have done it and it is kinda fun to see who did what in the course of the game :)

Id like to ask BSRJ 1 question. Why kill me? You had 2 scanners alive and you didnt even know my role, i could have been a bomb / vanilla, why take the chance?

Id like to pat myself on the back for chosing to kill LIS and then Bsrj, both being mafia, unfortunately BSRJ also killed me the same night ;)

Plus id like to thank you Mikey for the game, i enjoyed it!
 
   
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Post #7: 12th Jul 2010 4:21 PM 
The action list was on the "English Twins Win" post.

I'm actually pretty happy that Budd and Boc won. Maybe I'm even enjoying it more than if things had gone as expected and we lynched FF and sealed a Town victory. I had a lot of fun in the end, for a game I was initially so cbf about. I ended up in a nice chain of alliances and planning for a Town win.

I'd say my biggest regret is scanning DocAwe instead of Budd the night after we lynched Curtis. I wasn't sure about Budd, but thanks to overthinking things I ended up fairly paranoid of DocAwe.
 
   
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Post #8: 12th Jul 2010 4:31 PM 
Does this count as a mafia win or is it only a win for me and Budd?
 
   
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Post #9: 12th Jul 2010 4:32 PM 
Why did you scan me? :p

I wish i had killed Budd tbh. It was between LIS and Budd :/, but then again the mafia could have won
 
   
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Post #10: 12th Jul 2010 4:33 PM 
I was wondering the same thing, but I would assume it counts as mafia, minus BSRJ maybe. After all, FF got to survive!
 
   
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Post #11: 12th Jul 2010 4:34 PM 
DoctorAwesome @ 12-07-2010 15:32
Why did you scan me? :p

I wish i had killed Budd tbh. It was between LIS and Budd :/, but then again the mafia could have won
We were un-nightkillable. But I suppose it would've cast suspicion on him
 
   
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Post #12: 12th Jul 2010 4:35 PM 
I scanned you because I came up with this big elaborate plan on how you could be long-conning everyone. It was silly.
 
   
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Post #13: 12th Jul 2010 4:51 PM 
At the very least I won too. It depends on how you look at it. If BnB took over the Mafia that I was still in, then all of the Mafia won. If I was brought into theirs (which is what basically happened) than I still won being a part of their group and bsrj, Curtis and LIS are kind of up in the air and could go either way.
 
   
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Post #14: 12th Jul 2010 4:55 PM 
TRAS HTRASH Drrr @ 12-07-2010 15:35
I scanned you because I came up with this big elaborate plan on how you could be long-conning everyone. It was silly.
what role did you think i had?
 
   
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Post #15: 12th Jul 2010 5:02 PM 
I suspected you were the DON.
 
   
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